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September 02, 2005

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Incertus

I think it was over at Kos where I saw a picture of the press conference, complete with Coast Guard helicopters behind Bush instead of being in the air, and personnel standing at attention instead of, you know, working on equipment to send out to rescue people or actually doing the rescue work.

gary

Whiplash anyone?

Chuck

Not a flip flop at all. Bush only said the "results" are not acceptable. If not for the unimaginable levee breaking (who would have ever dreamed a levee would give way in a Category 4 Hurricane? Not even Clancy could have seen that one coming) and the failure of people to evacuate, I am sure the administration efforts would have produced "acceptable" results. AmericaBlog has a link to an AP article where Bush now explicitly states that the efforts were fine; only the results are bad.

Scott

What do you mean not even Clancy would have seen that coming? We've been warned about this for years! I've never been to Louisiana, and I've seen TV shows on the Discovery Channel talking about how the levees were only rated for category 3 storms. In early 2001, Bush was given a briefing on the top 3 risks to American cities. #1 and #2 were a hurricane hitting New Orleans and a terrorist attack in New York. The Army Corps of Engineers has been warning about this type of situation since the Republican congress has defunded their maintenance of the levees for the first time in 37 years to pay for the war in Iraq. If you say nobody anticipated this disaster, you're either a liar or an idiot.
That being said, I believe that under the Bush New Revised Dictionary, it's only a flip-flop if ou admit you made a mistake. So far, that hasn't happened. He's only contradicted himself, and anyone who points it out is merely unpatriotic and a hater of America.

Scott

To Idiot/Liar Chuck (and also to Idiot/Liar Bush):
Some examples of how nobody could have possibly forseen this disaster:
A NOLA Times-Picayeune report from 2002 on the potential disaster, including the breach of the levees
Read this
And this, from Salon.com about how FEMA warned Bush in 2001 that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters to befall this country.

Here's What's Left

Scott, thanks for the links. I think I assumed Chuck's comment, that

If not for the unimaginable levee breaking (who would have ever dreamed a levee would give way in a Category 4 Hurricane? Not even Clancy could have seen that one coming) and the failure of people to evacuate

was sarcastic or a joke. I mean, because it's so obviously false, as any cursory survey of news articles reveals.

Incertus

Yeah, I was thinking it was sarcastic too, especially when you factor in the Americablog comment.

Jean Mackey

I heard the whole exchange. No, it is not a flip flop. If you didn't hear the beginning, and wanted it to be a flip flop, I can see how you came to that conclusion.

I just heard on national news, that the Levy Commission, instead of spending money on the levies, 1)bought a new plane for their use 2) spent the money on building casinos 3) invested with friends, so their friends made money.

This hurricane is going to open up corruption like we've never seen before.

And another point. The first line of defense, the one who organizes everything, is the mayor. After all, it's his/her city. He/she is supposed to know best what they need. He has to then REQUEST assistance from the state. In turn, the state then releases what the mayor requested, and if serious enough then goes to the federal government.

The Governor NEVER released her own state police and National Guard. And what is going to come out is the fact that she didn't know what to do, and never requested federal aid. The federal government went over her head and supplied it-realizing that this hurricane was way over this governor's ability level.

Both the mayor and the governor are either very stupid, or very smart. Stupid cause they didn't know what to do, or smart cause with all the known corruption, they didn't want the feds in there????????

Scott

Sorry Chuck. But I stand by my statement that Bush is an idiot or liar or both. And there are clearly people out there willing to apologize for any stupid statement he makes or any stupid action he takes, as if he were their 6-year old mentally handicapped child.

HWL

Though I put this in a post above, I thought I'd put it in this comment thread by way of responding to Jean's comment. This is from the Department of Homeland Security's website:

In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

So you're wrong.

As for your strange claim that Blanco didn't request federal aid, that's also just plain false:

http://www.newschannel6.tv/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=8601

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan.

That's from Aug. 27, before the storm even hit.

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